Not sure that this bike deserves the 'underated' comment; witness Jason Mac riding it for one! Chrisie W has also used one very effectively. The 'Big Brother' P3C only fits a certain body type and the P2C fits another 'morph style'. It's a great frame with great characteristics and deserves is popularity; probably more suitable for the masses than its Big Brother.
Underated/unfashionable choose your own word for it. I would suggest that most people would be better of buying this frame for fit than possibly any other (the P3 is awkward to fit and requires some interesting tribar set ups to fit a lot of its buyers). Chrissy was pretty much the only professional that rode it and no pros copied her after her Hawaii wins. Jason was elite but most definitely amateur getting what he was given from his LBS sponsor while looking after his kids full time.
Chronic cardio is not a scientific term. That's MDA talking. This type of training is probably not good for the body paleo style (and I can't disagree over decades as most 50yr old triathletes look about 80) but that is the definition of IM training and hence the catch phrase chronic cardio, some people call it sweatspot training and it is very effective longterm. If you're not in this zone/area for a significant amount of time in your training, particularly your long focussed rides, you won't do justice to your IM bike split come eg Outlaw time.
You are far more qualifed than I am and have many years more experience than I of endurance training. But ... Is that knowledge talking or Conventional Wisdom? Whilst I am more inclined to eat cake and chocolate than the average PBer (Primal Blueprint follower) I am convinced by the training regime, and see no reason for long periods in CC zone (assuming CC = time x effort level over prolonged period). I am, though, quite prepared for it to go horribly wrong for me in July and for you to say "I told you so" afterwards. But if I PB (Personal Best), will that prove anything to you?
Regardless, I still find your blog compelling reading. Thank you.
Turbo Mick, Specificity x3... Bradley Wiggins can do all the road work he wants but he still has to come back to the track for a few months if he wants to win gold in the next Olympics.
While training lots in z2 and sprints amongst other efforts are great, and any training is good, training in this way exclusively will make you crack if you want to push a high IM effort come race day. You see lots of fit athletes crack in races. In the last 12 weeks before the race you should switch to these types of efforts once or twice a week.
One of the hardest things to do in an IM is correct pacing on the bike. These effort levels (sub threshold) bump up your threshold overall overtime without causing you undue fatigue in your basic trg week. They are however, mentally very tiring for the physical gain you get in the short term hence me coining them "WEB!" workouts in my earlier post. They are mentally very draining but make an IM seem easy by comparison. Research (rather than just received wisdom) and of course anecdotal evidence, does back this up for a reason. They work. There are many ways to skin a cat but if I could only do 3 bikes a week in the final build to an IM, one or 2 would include these types of work. The other would have shorter, sharper work. these types of work. As to your PB the only thing that will ever matter is the amount of effort you put in to the training and the race not the time in the end.
(Frank I hope I answered your question in there some where)
Not sure that this bike deserves the 'underated' comment; witness Jason Mac riding it for one! Chrisie W has also used one very effectively. The 'Big Brother' P3C only fits a certain body type and the P2C fits another 'morph style'. It's a great frame with great characteristics and deserves is popularity; probably more suitable for the masses than its Big Brother.
ReplyDeleteAs for your training, isn't 85% FTP in the chronic cardio zone?
ReplyDeleteUnderated/unfashionable choose your own word for it. I would suggest that most people would be better of buying this frame for fit than possibly any other (the P3 is awkward to fit and requires some interesting tribar set ups to fit a lot of its buyers). Chrissy was pretty much the only professional that rode it and no pros copied her after her Hawaii wins. Jason was elite but most definitely amateur getting what he was given from his LBS sponsor while looking after his kids full time.
ReplyDeleteChronic cardio is not a scientific term. That's MDA talking. This type of training is probably not good for the body paleo style (and I can't disagree over decades as most 50yr old triathletes look about 80) but that is the definition of IM training and hence the catch phrase chronic cardio, some people call it sweatspot training and it is very effective longterm. If you're not in this zone/area for a significant amount of time in your training, particularly your long focussed rides, you won't do justice to your IM bike split come eg Outlaw time.
Neill, what's the thinking behind your bike session (30min & 15min @ 85% FTP)?
ReplyDeleteThis year for me (120k on the bike as opposed to 180k), what do you think some of the key bike sessions might be?
In2 Neill
ReplyDeleteYou are far more qualifed than I am and have many years more experience than I of endurance training. But ... Is that knowledge talking or Conventional Wisdom? Whilst I am more inclined to eat cake and chocolate than the average PBer (Primal Blueprint follower) I am convinced by the training regime, and see no reason for long periods in CC zone (assuming CC = time x effort level over prolonged period). I am, though, quite prepared for it to go horribly wrong for me in July and for you to say "I told you so" afterwards. But if I PB (Personal Best), will that prove anything to you?
Regardless, I still find your blog compelling reading. Thank you.
Turbo Mick,
ReplyDeleteSpecificity x3...
Bradley Wiggins can do all the road work he wants but he still has to come back to the track for a few months if he wants to win gold in the next Olympics.
While training lots in z2 and sprints amongst other efforts are great, and any training is good, training in this way exclusively will make you crack if you want to push a high IM effort come race day. You see lots of fit athletes crack in races. In the last 12 weeks before the race you should switch to these types of efforts once or twice a week.
One of the hardest things to do in an IM is correct pacing on the bike. These effort levels (sub threshold) bump up your threshold overall overtime without causing you undue fatigue in your basic trg week. They are however, mentally very tiring for the physical gain you get in the short term hence me coining them "WEB!" workouts in my earlier post. They are mentally very draining but make an IM seem easy by comparison. Research (rather than just received wisdom) and of course anecdotal evidence, does back this up for a reason. They work. There are many ways to skin a cat but if I could only do 3 bikes a week in the final
build to an IM, one or 2 would include these types of work. The other would have shorter, sharper work. these types of work.
As to your PB the only thing that will ever matter is the amount of effort you put in to the training and the race not the time in the end.
(Frank I hope I answered your question in there some where)